Kangaroos coach Tim Sheens is seeking a meeting with referee Steve Ganson ahead of Saturday's vital Four Nations rugby league clash with England.

The Australians were caught on the hop by some of Ganson's decisions around the tackle and ruck in the 20-20 draw with New Zealand last weekend and Sheens is desperate to do all he can to ensure lightning doesn't strike twice against England in Wigan.

Sheens has called on ARL chief executive Geoff Carr to organise a meeting with Ganson and tournament referees boss Stuart Cummings for Friday, where the Kangaroos mentor hopes to get a clearer idea of whether his players will face similar interpretations.

"I've been chasing Cummings without success, apparently he's an elusive character," said Sheens, already bemused his side had been lumped with Ganson for back-to-back games.

"It's not a war council, but we've had a good look at the video and I want some clarifications, to get a bit of an idea what to expect in game two.

"I want to know what we should expect.

"If he (Cummings) was happy with what (Ganson) gave us, then I am expecting the same sort of game. I can live with that."

With the introduction of the two-referee system in the NRL this season, the Australian players have become used to a much cleaner ruck than what was allowed by Ganson against the Kiwis.

The latitude afforded the tacklers and the markers as well as the skinny ten metres nullified much of the work of Kangaroos dummy half Cameron Smith, whose ability to play before the line was hampered as a result.

New Zealand tested the boundaries and Ganson's patience when they were pinged for four straight penalties during the first half.

But Sheens claims the referee's reluctance to take sterner action after his warning to Kiwi skipper Benji Marshall only encouraged the World Cup champions to continue bending the rules.

"I'm concerned that that just sends a message that sides can say `well, we'll just continue to choke the game, slow the Australian ruck down and not worry about the final warning'," Sheens said.

"It would appear, talking with a few people I know here in England, there's a lot more allowed in the ruck here than there is in Australia.

"So when we've got an English referee, obviously that's going to be the interpretation.

"It's imperative I find out what we are to expect this week, let alone every other week from now on."

While Sheens said his meeting with Cummings and Ganson would aid his side's preparation for the England game, he admitted there was also an onus on his players to adjust to different styles.

"We need to obviously adapt to the conditions and to the refereeing and to the interpretations.

"I'm sure the English would say when they're under Australian referees in Sydney it's a different thing again."

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